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New Post 1/2/2009 9:44 AM
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Weapons for personal protection 
Modified By Yankale  on 2/2/2009 7:48:51 AM)

This is another issue in the overview. There's no need to carry any weapons with you and they are forbidden to carry, including knives.

There were several reports about police officers stopping a hiker and searching for weapons. 

AMEX (MC or Visa) Don't leave home without them.

Weapons: Leave them at home...

 
New Post 2/1/2009 1:56 PM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 

What about small knives just for hiking/camping purposes?  Is that ok?

 
New Post 2/2/2009 6:46 AM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 
Modified By Yankale  on 2/2/2009 7:49:13 AM)

Try to avoid them if possible. Take a very small and simple knife.

 
New Post 2/2/2009 7:11 AM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 

Hi Yankale

 

Can you please tell me where you got the information that knives are forbidden?  I would like to do more research on that subject since I believe a good sturdy knife is a essential piece of equipment on a hike.  I have a small serrated KA-Bar knife that I use as a utility knife and would be loathed to leave it behind.

 

Thanks

 

Albert

 
New Post 2/2/2009 8:19 AM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 
Modified By Yankale  on 2/4/2009 8:35:50 AM)

It is illegal to carry any weapon in our country, unless it's for self protection and you have an Israeli permit. Knives are illegal.

The police can stop anyone who looks suspicious to them, search for weapons or other illegal stuff, including knives, and you can face anything from confiscation to joining them to the nearest police station for questioning.

KA-Bar knives even small ones, are an absoute NO NO,  unless you don't mind risking a night in jail if the police finds the KA-Bar with you.

Your best option is to carry a very simple knife that will not make anyone nervous.... 

I'll ask Matt (Acorn) who has hiked the INT last spring, and spent a night at my place, to share his experience regarding this issue.

His knife was confiscated, and it was not a KA-Bar....

 

 
New Post 2/2/2009 9:55 AM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 

 Yankale wrote

Try to avoid them if possible. Take a very small and simple knife.

 

Thanks Yankale!  Basically I'll be carring a Leatherman tool, it has a knife, but it's fairly small.

 
New Post 2/2/2009 12:41 PM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 
Modified By Yankale  on 2/2/2009 1:42:41 PM)

A Leatherman is a good choice, looks like hikers' stuff even to police officers....however:

If your fully loaded backpack weighs more than 22-23 pounds (without food and water) it's too heavy.

In the desert you need 5.5  liters of water per day for drinking & cooking + food so you end up with a backpack that weighs more than 35 pounds.

Consider replacing the Leatherman with a Titanuim SPORK and it can be used as a knife too.

They have also a SPORK with a handle that can be folded, it's even lighter, it's great stuff.

 
New Post 2/2/2009 10:23 PM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 

Hi:  well here is my story.  I had purchased at a Seattle hardware store a folding knife with a 5cm blade.  Typical pocket knife and short enought NOT to qualify as a weapon in Seattle.

Day three of my hike I was at a roadside 'saddling up' with two trails friends.  In pulls a police car and they start chatting us up.  Then one of the officers asks the simple question of "Does anyone have a knife?".  I live a life without guile and said sure, I did.  I handed the knife to the officer who opened it and passed it to the other officer.  Then engaged in a long conversation that involved a cell phone call and a radio call. This took several minutes and the first officer asked why I was carrying a knife.  I was a bit dumbfounded. I had had a knife with me on every hiking and hunting trip I was ever on.  I said I carried it to cut string and apples plus pry out slivers, etc.  Well they were having none of that.  I was informed that if I wanted to carry a knife I could only carry a 'butter knife' and my little blade was hereby confiscated.  I got a picture of my knife in evidence bag and a receipt.  They drove off after reminding me that I could always come with them to the police station.  I replied:  "No sir!".  They smiled and drove off.

Now, fast forward a week and I am having an evening coffee with a city police officer in Nazret.  He about choked when I told him my story.  He said there was no reason for anyone to take away a hiker's knife.  Obviously, the other officers did not do well on their 'racial profiling' training.  I mean a 54 year old American is a danger to the citizens of Israel with a pocket knife?  I could do more damage with a rock.

Here is the kicker.  I stopped in a Richochet [sp] sporting goods store in Be'er Sheva.  Sure enough on display was a large selection of folding knives.  Many of the knives were alot longer than mine!

My suggestion;  don't take a large kife or a folding knife with an agressive look to it.  Think 'Boy Scout' knives.  I bet a clasp knife with a bottle opener would be fine.

As for self defense, see the 'rock' comment above.

Oh, my talk at the Seattle REI store on my INT hike is set for 26 Feb. at 1900.  Please come!  It was a great hike in a great land with great people!

 
New Post 2/4/2009 2:24 AM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 

Ok Thanks.  I get the picture.  I will leave  the KA Bar at home.

 

Thanks for the advice.

 
New Post 2/10/2009 6:31 AM
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Re: Weapons for personal protection 

As an Israeli hiker I carry what I calla mitcen knife, a small one, not longer then 10 cm, that's the law.

As a tourist I don't recommend getting in an argument with an israel policeman whose English is bad if any, don't risk it. A small kitchen knife would serve you just fine. This is not a survival trip.

 
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