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New Post 11/23/2009 9:38 AM
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winter hiking 

If I were to attempt to hike the trail over Christmas time (Dec.-Jan.) (1) would the water situation in the desert section be any less severe? (2) would a down sleeping bag rated to 30 degrees be sufficient for the entire trail?

I must say I was intimidated by the preparation that would be required for a "normal" hike in the spring or fall especially regarding water. (The one person I talked to was going to charge $500 to drive me over the 225 mile desert stretch planting water caches.) The notion of encountering springs or streams in the desert in the winter would almost make the colder temps worth putting up with! I'm not into cold weather camping but I'd make an exception in this case.

Evidently what I'm proposing here is way out of the norm. I see the last active post in this forum was several months ago. leading me to believe nobody in their right mind hikes the trail this time of year! Am I right?

 
New Post 11/23/2009 1:44 PM
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Re: winter hiking 
Modified By Yankale  on 11/23/2009 1:47:59 PM)

1. Water in the desert during winter requires the same attention as in spring. Assuming it rains in the desert, which is a rare event in winter too, the water in pits and temporary ponds, is not potable and requires purification.

2. Sleeping bag rated 30 is not sufficient. If you bring a tent you'll need at least 20 for the entire trail. Temps in the desert may get as low as 32-35 and with a little wind it's cold.

3. Cost of a caching trip in the desert: $500 (NIS 1900-2000) looks to me a bit expensive. If you talk to other people I believe you can get down to $375-400, which is still not cheap. You have to realize two things: It's not a ride of 250 miles on I-90, it's a ride on dirt roads, accessible to 4X4 only, and it takes a full and very long day. For a single person it is expensive. Usually you share this ride with other people, and the price per person is not more than $100, usually less. Problem is that in winter fewer hikers hit the trail so your chances to share the ride are lower. All drivers in the desert  try to make the caching trip for several people, unless you insist to drive alone.  

4. After answering your questions I'd say that "normal" preparation should not intimidate you, thousands of hikers do it each year. Winter is colder and naturally rain delays are more frequent, but there are hikers in their right mind that do it in winter. 

5. Here is an e-mail of a 23 years old man, who starts on December 13th:  gwiths@gmail.com

Enjoy your hike on the INT, whenever you decide to do it.

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New Post 3/8/2010 3:35 PM
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Re: winter hiking 

Regarding the water cache.  $400-$500 is quite a bit of money. 

Does that include the water and containers?  Or do hikers need to also buy water and containers as well?  About how much would that be?   

Also is there any car rental places in the area that rent 4x4's for a more reasonable price? Say $100 or so for one day rental of the car.  I am assuming much of the reason for the cost being so high is time of the driver.  $100 for car rental plus another $20 for gas divided by a few people is more reasonable than $500 divided by a few people. 

(Personally I think camping  in the winter makes sense.  Put then again I like camping in the snow.  And don't really consider it too cold to out unless it is below -20F. Israel's version of "winter" is what I would call fall or spring.  I doubt I will need to pack my snowshoes or XC skis)  

 
New Post 3/11/2010 10:50 AM
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Re: winter hiking 

$500 is not cheap, it is for a full day (12-14 hours) ride with a driver who knows where to cache water, riding a 4X4 since some place can't be reached by regular cars. Part of the day is on dirt roads that locals know well. Some roads require coordination with the military to drive. There are few 4X4 rental places but they are quite expensive. Just the gas is ~$125 for the trip. I don't know the rates for renting a 4X4 but you can look on the internet and add the cost of insurnce.

And yes you are right the idea of hiring the service is sharing the cost: consider that 4 hikers from 4 gropus share the ride and the cost is $125/group,  which is ~$60/hiker wuich is very reasonable. Water is not included in the price, the price of mineral water is ~$1/gallon

Regarding winter hiking this is a vry good season to do the INT.

 

 

 
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